Thursday, March 02, 2006

tonsil stones

I'll start with tonsil stones, or tonsilloliths, because that's one thing bugging me lately.

I had been aware from time to time of a feeling like something was stuck in my throat, a tickly feeling. I'd have a tickly cough for a few days, and something would eventually come out. I figured it was a piece of food or something. In fact, I noticed when this happened the gross thing I coughed up was a little piece of rice. Since I usually have a kleenex in my pocket, I'd dispose of it without further ado...And in the meantime, I often had swellings in my throat, and feeling like there was a lump in my throat, that I figured were mildly swollen lymph nodes - again, from post-nasal drip and allergies.

But then other things started happening. I was getting pain in one ear or another, and had a bout of severe vertigo for over a week. Sore throats, too. My doctor just said it was post-nasal drip from my allergies. Then I looked with a flashlight in there, as best I could. There was a huge white spot on the right side of my throat. I reached down my throat to poke it, and all this junk came out onto my finger... then I gagged and coughed and more gunk came flying out into the sink. It smelled truly awful. I thought maybe it was an infection and that was pus coming out, but it was too thick to be pus. (Are you grossed out yet?)

I wondered if I had some disgusting throat disease -- cancer, or like, some kind of STD, throat gonorrhea or something. I hear you can get genital warts in the back of your throat. Syphilis. Maybe something even odder that I couldn't imagine. Looking stuff up on the net didn't help! I didn't know what to search on... "pain in throat"? "Lumps in throat?" Rash in throat? Pimples? Boils? I didn't even know where my tonsils were or what I was looking at. I even had a theory that maybe it was stuff stuck in some passage that went from the back of my throat to my sinuses.

Finally I reached the point where I went to an ENT, an ear-nose-throat specialist. She looked down my throat and said that I had deep holes, called crypts, in my tonsils, probably from past illnesses. Stuff, basically the same stuff that forms on your teeth, like tooth plaque, gets stuck in those holes in your tonsils. It smells really bad, gives you bad breath and a weird taste in your mouth, and the stones can get stuck and cause irritation or infection. She wrote down the word "tonsilloliths" for me.

"Lith" means "rock". The gunk stuck in the tonsil holes sits there for so long that a sort of chemical reaction occurs, like with tooth plaque, and it solidifies to some extent. A bit like pasta al dente.

EW.

The only cure for this is not to have tonsils. Tonsillectomy in adults is very painful and somewhat dangerous. As I understand it, they cut your tonsils out and cauterize them. Tonsil tissue might grow back. And recovering from tonsillectomy (as an adult) can mean extreme, prolonged pain, and not eating solid foods for a month or more. I'm not ready to do any of that just for a minor annoyance.

So, then what? What could I do?

The doctor said to gargle with salt water. Now, all my life I've heard that it's a good idea to gargle with salt water if you have a sore throat. And if you have a really sore throat, this does exactly nothing to help your pain. Warm salt water makes me want to throw up. BUT... doing this regularly does help prevent the tonsil stones from forming. Since I started doing this a couple of times a day, my tonsil problems have gotten a lot better, and I especially notice that the "swollen lymph nodes" got better too.

I also inspect my throat every day with a small, powerful flashlight. I've gotten to know where the main crypts, or holes, are. If I see white stuff poking out of them, I can either get it out by poking it with my finger. (This gets easier with practice.) I've used other things like blunt medical probes (available in medical supply stores) and manicure tools (it worked, but I don't recommend it) to get into the holes. Again, this takes patience and practice.

Another cheap, effective way to rinse out your tonsil crypts is to use an infant ear/nose syringe. These are in the infant section of any drugstore. I think you're supposed to use them to create gentle suction to get snot out of babies' noses. Mine, the long-nozzled kind, squirts high-pressure warm salt water into the back of my throat. I can use it for suction too, to dislodge a stubborn tonsillolith. But squirting water back there can reach to the places you can't see. The holes go deep sometimes. You wouldn't believe the amount of junk I've seen come out of there. It's just nasty.

I tried a WaterPik, and this worked, but the pressure was too intense. The infant nose syringe was extremely cheap, readily available, and can be controlled by hand. You can also use it to wash out your sinuses, but I'll write about that another day.

I hope this helps anyone who's having the same problem.

12 comments:

Becky said...

Thank you for your input on this I have the same thing and I asswell use my finger like you said you eventually get used to it but I am glad I got some tips from your story and now I know what is wrong I was afraid I might have cancer, so thank you.

insomniawesome said...

thank you so much for answering all my questions. this has been happening to me for a long time now but this morning i noticed the "crypt" in the back of my mouth. i freaked out because i thought it was cancer or something. thank you again!

schlocks23 said...

i am SO glad I stumbled on your post. i have the EXACT same problem. my ENT told me to gargle with hydrogen peroxide (worked for a while then i stopped because it was gross) and the stones came back. but this time with the earaches, the vertigo, and all that unpleasantness.

i will try the squirter trick, see if that works.

i'm so glad i'm not alone! this is such a pain in the @$$!

CJRamsgateUK said...

I have had these tonsil stones for a few years now. I used to be able to scrape off the white stuff or ease out the stones with a cotton bud, but now my crypts are so deep that it doesn't work anymore - using a cotton bud just pushes them in deeper, it come out with some yellow on it and blood, but the stones stay in their cave. I have mentioned tonsil stones to doctors and dentists here in the UK, but they react as if you're a bit mad, and say they haven't heard of tonsilloliths.

Salt water gargling helps a little and occasionally removes stones, but it doesn't stop them forming. I may try cutting out dairy a this has been suggested to me as a cause. I used a water pik too, but this was too painful and caused bleeding.

I'm considering some kind of tonsillectomy as I want to get rid of the recurrent sore throat, viral feeling, ear pains and bad breath that my tonsil stones are causing. Traditional tonsillectomy is used only very rarely now in the UK as it's seen to be ineffective, but there is a laser clinic called the London Laser Clinic (llc.com) that does laser tonsillectomies, under both local and general anaesthetic for around £3000. I have tried to find reviews of their procedures, but can't find anything. I want to be sure that it's safe and that it will work, but feel that I can't ask my doctor because he's unwilling to accept that they exist. Not sure who to ask for advice on this.

I am wondering if my tonsil crypts, as they are very deep, will not be affected by removing the tonsil. There is effectively more crypt than tonsil - or that's how it looks to me anyway.

If anyone has any advice on removing very deep stones, or comments on getting a tonsillectomy in the UK, it would be much appreciated.

CJRamsgateUK said...

I have had these tonsil stones for a few years now. I used to be able to scrape off the white stuff or ease out the stones with a cotton bud, but now my crypts are so deep that it doesn't work anymore - using a cotton bud just pushes them in deeper, it come out with some yellow on it and blood, but the stones stay in their cave. I have mentioned tonsil stones to doctors and dentists here in the UK, but they react as if you're a bit mad, and say they haven't heard of tonsilloliths.

Salt water gargling helps a little and occasionally removes stones, but it doesn't stop them forming. I may try cutting out dairy a this has been suggested to me as a cause. I used a water pik too, but this was too painful and caused bleeding.

I'm considering some kind of tonsillectomy as I want to get rid of the recurrent sore throat, viral feeling, ear pains and bad breath that my tonsil stones are causing. Traditional tonsillectomy is used only very rarely now in the UK as it's seen to be ineffective, but there is a laser clinic called the London Laser Clinic (llc.com) that does laser tonsillectomies, under both local and general anaesthetic for around £3000. I have tried to find reviews of their procedures, but can't find anything. I want to be sure that it's safe and that it will work, but feel that I can't ask my doctor because he's unwilling to accept that they exist. Not sure who to ask for advice on this.

I am wondering if my tonsil crypts, as they are very deep, will not be affected by removing the tonsil. There is effectively more crypt than tonsil - or that's how it looks to me anyway.

If anyone has any advice on removing very deep stones, or comments on getting a tonsillectomy in the UK, it would be much appreciated.

tonsilstones said...

Tonsils stones are small stones in the tonsils that are from hardened mucus, food particles, dead cells and bacteria and can be one of the 'culprits' of having bad breath. Although some of these stones are too small to notice, some may however be as big as a pea.

Tonsil Stones Remedies

Unknown said...

I can so relate & after last night's dislodge I'd huge stones ...I thought I would research. I believe what you eat also builds those pain stones....my diet was great till Mom moved in around 9 months ago.. I hand never had ear problems either. Last night I brushed out two big stones after I felt a tickling. Hope my ear pain subsides . My neck had been swollen & glad to see it back to normal size... I found Tightening neck exercises also help & a massaging of frontal neck area helps to dislodge them.

Unknown said...

I have been suffering with a neurotic phobia for one month when I noticed a tiny lymph node on the right side of my neck. Not under the jaw. Went to the Dr and he told me he wasn't too concerned and to come back if it got bigger. About 2 weeks after that I noticed my right tonsil swollen. No other symptoms other than popping my ears and sometimes a dull pain. Was referred to an Ent who I see Monday. 2 days ago low and behold I spit up some nasty smelling stones. That has helped put my mind at ease after researching them. My tonsil is still swollen and I can still feel these nodes but will still see the ent. I have herd that all of my symptoms can be caused by these little bastards.

Unknown said...

Does anybody get a swollen lymph node on the right ride of their neck with tonsil stones? Causes ear pain too? I have them right now and my lymph node is a swollen little lump and im afraid its lymphoma or something deadly

Unknown said...

I get them too and I use a metal blackhead white head removal tool to remove them you can get them at walmart for $2.00 they are double sided, not sharp and really long so you don't have to worry about losing them down your throat.

wrg20 said...

I have the same symptoms that you have Korissa. I was digging at my tonsil stones and it cause my whole neck of lymph nodes to swell up. Ear pain on the right side too and a lump in my throat on the right side of my neck. I also feared lymphoma. Going to see my doctor and ask for a referral to an ENT. Appointment next week.

Unknown said...

When u remove um does that feeling gp away😭😭😭